どんぐりシステムについて話しましょう ★37
レス数が950を超えています。1000を超えると書き込みができなくなります。
>>879
だからこそハンター弱体化なんていう奴は必要ないんだよ
理解できるかな？ >>886
どういう理屈だ
理解できないから説明してみろよ >>885
どんぐりキャノンさん
彼らはスレッド乱立や同一分で埋め立てたりとスクリプト同等の荒らし行為をしています。
彼らのハンター権限は凍結すべきだと思いませんか？
They are doing the same vandalism as scripting, creating threads and filling in the same amount of content.
Don't you think their hunter privileges should be frozen?
>>566
スレ乱立ハンター
スクリプト使い37dd90b4の疑い
テスト4
//fate.5ch.net/test/read.cgi/lovelive/1715393694/
テスト5
//fate.5ch.net/test/read.cgi/lovelive/1715396584/
テスト10
//fate.5ch.net/test/read.cgi/lovelive/1715396804/
1 名無しで叶える物語 ハンター[Lv.251][SSR武][UR防][木](庭) 2024/05/11(土) 11:14:54.22 ID:GvtLm13F
>>570
40レス以上コピペ連投する害悪ハンター
krsw.5ch.net/test/read.cgi/gamesm/1715303234/102
102：名無しですよ、名無し！ ハンター[Lv.160][SSR武][UR防][](庭)：2024/05/10(金) 12:46:45.99 ID:fDLynq4R0 >>884
お前が荒らしたいハンターだということがよくわかった
いくつクッキー用意してるの？？ どんぐりキャノンのワンマンでいいあれこれいう必要ないと>>888が思うならまず弱体化とか言ってる奴が必要ないだろと言ってるの
数日前のこと忘れたの？ >>890
このスレで撃たれてもいいように数個はあるぞ撃つ奴いるだろ >>891
数日前のことは知らんが、なんで張り付いてる前提で語ってるんだ？
ドングリハンターは無能だから運営を降りろと言ってる It is a prerequisite to prevent this problem from happening. I understand that. However, what you should consider is if such a problem still occurs.
My suggestion is to make it possible to write at level 0 by default.
I have gotten feedback from various people and the most unpopular thing about the Acorn system is that you can't write when you want to.
Restrictions by acorns should be independently restricted by the people in that thread.
The default should be Freedom. >>881
問題ないと思います
このスレッドにいるID:vxjE6tJ20のように大量のクッキーブラウザで書き込まれると大砲が効果がない。スクリプトとやっていることが同じだ。
こういった者への対策もぜひお願いします。
I think there is no problem
If a large number of cookies are written in the browser like ID:vxjE6tJ20 in this thread, the cannon has no effect. It does the same thing as a script.
Please take measures against these people.
荒らしハンターの力を抑えるほうが先
対スクリプトであれば10下げられれば十分効果あります。 >>607
I agree that this is very annoying:
https://krsw.5ch.net/test/read.cgi/gamesm/1715303234/102-
However, we cannot punish someone just because they are annoying.
I will punish him if he uses a script to post, but I dont see any indication that he is posting with a script. >>885
It's obvious that 37dd90b4 is still shooting randomly.
Not responding is not acceptable
Many users disappear due to this stupidity, but can you take responsibility for it?
https://i.imgur.com/eZ4jW8e.jpeg
>>896 どんぐりシステムは体制がおかしすぎる
この規模のシステムでプロダクトオーナーも開発者もヘルプデスクもテスターもOPSもどんぐりキャノン一人が兼任してるのはおかしい
単一障害点なんてレベルじゃない >>893
ハンターの大砲でレベル4くらいの警備員すら倒せなくなったの忘れた？
あまり関係ないレスしたくないからそこまで長くレスはしたくないけどさすがに覚えてると思うんだけど
しばらく5chに来てなかったかな？
真面目に5chの運営として頑張ってる、どんぐりキャノンに「ドングリハンターは無能だから運営を降りろと言ってる」などというような>>893がまさに荒らしに見えてしまうよ ちなみにどんぐりハンターってどんぐりキャノンと書こうとしてミスしただけだよね >>871
How WILL you？
Give specific penalty ideas.
As a next warning. >>896
どんぐりキャノンさん、また運営の荒らしに対するスタンスがよくわかりました。
それでは
>>854
>>855
に書いた明らかなスクリプト荒らしが書けなくなるような対応を急いでください。どんぐりシステムはこの荒らしに対してまだ対応できていません。
Acorn Cannon, I also understand the management's stance on vandalism.
Well then
>>854
>>855
Please take immediate action to prevent the obvious script vandalism written in . The Acorn system is not yet ready for this vandalism. >>902
If we detect that a hunter is using a script to shoot the cannon indiscriminately, then we will -25% their donguri points as an initial punishment.
The key word is "indiscriminately". >>900
だから10下げればいいと提案してるんだが？ >>904
That's meaningless
Please link to Hunter ID and ban cannons. >>904
That should have already been done the day before yesterday.
That's what you said.
I'd like to hear what you do next. >>904
We're asking for >>906
Are you going to tell me that you're not willing to take the UPLIFT revocation action? スクリプトに対して大砲はほぼ無力
前付きスクリプトなんてほとんどいない
それでもまだ強弱変えてテストさせるのか？ >>909
それな （前）があるスクリプトはほぼない
全部新規で5分で増やせる
しかもブラウザごとに
コピペ荒らしすら撲滅できてない
大砲システムが埋め立てスクリプトに効果があるという証明が欲しい
現状、荒らしの武器を増やしただけにしか見えない でもどんなシステムか分かれば突破ってできちゃうと思うんだよな
突破できないシステムは誰も書けないシステムw 荒らしハンターは荒らし行為が目的なんだから
どんぐりポイント没収なんて無意味だってなんで分からないのかな >>910
この悪い状況を否定するためにも、すでに警告が終了して48時間経った昨日の段階で、自動スクリプトで乱射していた荒らしハンターを排除すること
これが秩序の初手
それができないなら、気の毒だが誰にも理解されないのは当然だ
荒らしハンターどもですら、これは荒らしシステムだと豪語している
廃止した方がいい おい荒らしハンターの596a4b6c
こんな時に撃ったお前のIDは刻んだからな レベル制限コマンドスレを超えてスクリプトが蹂躙しているというソースを出せば
多分大砲が効果ないという納得のいくソースになると思う
セットで使用するように推奨されているからね 荒らしハンターに関しては警で○○時間書き込み制限
臭で砲弾没収、○○時間リロード無しで解決せんか？ ハンターのよる攻撃に対しての罰則はUPLIFTの一時停止やBANだろう >>904
The people in the following threads are all into fighting troll hunters.
https://kes.5ch.net/test/read.cgi/donguri/1715476766/
If you refer to this thread, you will see that they are the ones who are trying to slander Donguri Cannon san and make the Donguri system worse.
Please make the right decision. >>916
荒らしハンターはよほどのバカ以外はハンターで書き込まないぞ 臭になった場合はペナルティで17分待機
被になった場合は24時間待機
とかでよくね
被については狙ってもなれないわけだし >>904
I don't think people who shoot someone for harassment fundamentally want acorns.
If you are going to take action, you either have to be able to shoot back at them or prevent them from shooting at us. Even if only temporarily. >>920
狙ってもなれないが荒らしハンターに狙われたらなれるぞ
利用者を消し去りたいならそれでも良いけど >>922
被は狙われても余程じゃないとならん
俺のいたスレで唯一なった奴は異常な書き込み繰り返してた奴だけだからそういう奴は長時間消えてくれると助かるんだけどなあ >>921
The first recourse of action against indiscriminate troll hunters that use scripts is to enforce -25% donguri points.
If scripting continues after the first action, then we will discuss what to do in the second course of action.
A second recourse of action could mean temporary suspension of access to the acorn cannon.
We are not yet at that point. >>624
/sec2ch/1625875514/ には レス番 179 までしかないようだが >>561
これでよくね
大砲じゃ荒らしハンターにペナルティ与えられない I am applying for access to Twilio in order to setup a system to send my phone a text message every hour with the current "期".
I will check it each hour and if the "期" has not changed, then that means there is an urgent problem with the Donguri System. Since the cannon logs are always changing, if you want to report an arashi hunter to me, then please use the https://archive.is system to take a snapshot of the cannon logs page: https://donguri.5ch.net/cannonlogs
Share the archive.is link with me that shows the Arashi Hunter, and I can take action at that point if I deem it to be an actionable offense. どんキャさんは、荒らしハンターに対して正義ハンターとのバトルで対抗させてゲーム化させたいのかな
荒らしハンターに化けたスクリプト荒らしと遊ぶつもりはないなｗ >>926
Will we be able to use Acorns to purchase real world items in the future?
For example, souvenirs from Hokkaido. Script reports often appear in the following threads. According to reports, many slow scripts cannot be detected by vandalism alerts. Recently, I've been relying on the reports to shoot more and more scripts. However, in such cases, the acorn system is often not introduced in the thread in the first place, or the cannon is prohibited. Trolls are targeting such threads. It's frustrating to watch the script steadily grow up to break through the regulatory levels of other threads. I would like to see a fundamental tightening of penalties.
下記のスレッドにスクリプト報告がよく上がる。報告によれば、荒らし警報で検知できない低速スクリプトが多い。 最近はその報告を頼りにスクリプトを撃ちに行くことが増えた。しかしながら、このような場合はそのスレッドにそもそもどんぐりシステムが導入されていなかったり大砲禁止なことも多い。そのようなスレッドを荒らしは狙っている。スクリプトが他のスレッドの規制レベル突破のために着々と育成されていくのを見過ごすしかなく歯がゆい思いがする。根本的なペナルティの厳格化を望む。
スクリプトに遭った板・スレの報告スレ
https://agree.5ch.net/test/read.cgi/operate/1714566159/
スクリプトに遭った板・スレの報告スレ 16
https://agree.5ch.net/test/read.cgi/operate/1714627500/
翻訳機能使ってるので不自然な英語は失礼 狐のどんぐりレベル0から上がらなくて何処にも書き込めんぞ https://kes.5ch.net/test/read.cgi/donguri/1714788245/188
188：どんぐりキャノン ★ ハンター[Lv.27(前186)][木]：2024/05/09(木) 02:33:16.66 ID:CAP_USER
On the cannonlog page (), we will now be changing the ID of users every 期.
This will allow hunters, and defenders, to easily avoid detection over long periods of time.
With this change, I have decided that we will also be punishing hunters that use scripts to throw cannon balls.
I am giving a 24 hour warning to hunters that use scripts that maliciously target every post.
After 24 hours, hunters that continue to use scripts to maliciously target indiscriminately will have 25% of their Donguri removed.
After 48 hours, I will re-evaluate who is using scripts to maliciously target indiscriminately, and we will adjust the punishment accordingly.
>>926
well…
How long are you going to say "not yet"?
This is what I have been saying since the very beginning of this thread.
Reinstate the UPLIFT suspension.
And congratulations on successfully disabling the cannon logs by switching IDs.
It's quite a thrill to talk to a con man. >>930
あなただけにメッセージ送るの？
一人で対応は変わらないのか >>931
>>561
Acorn Cannon.
Please read this. >>926
Even this every day? (Acts of 37dd90b4)
If so, wouldn't it be the same as not doing anything?
Can you please stop saying that you will deal with troll hunters?
Will you proudly say that you will leave the troll hunters alone?
If you say that, everyone will disappear.
I'm also canceling UPLIFT.
https://i.imgur.com/t6JHq07.jpeg
https://i.imgur.com/y0uzNIq.jpeg 結局「アラシ」を制圧しようとしている側も「アラシ」なんですよ
「自動アラシ」は駄目で「手動アラシは良い」って言葉は「アイツのアラシ方」は駄目だが「俺のアラシ方」はセーフだって事でしょ？
アラシが主役でなくなる時は誰も書かなくなった時でしか無いと思う
残念ながら平和を望むどんぐりを助ける気のいいドジョウが出てくるのは童謡の中だけなんだね😅 >>931
I understood. We will do so. >>933
Purchasing souvenirs from Hokkaido seems unlikely, but maybe we could someday make a way to purchase gift cards using Donguri.
However, there are a few big issues regarding selling gift cards for donguri:
1. The donguri economy would need to be balanced very carefully.
-> I dont want to be bankrupted because I sent too many gift cards.
2. We need to be careful not to help people engage in money laundering.
-> Bad people sometimes use gift cards to money launder.
-> It is a real concern.
-> I do not want to engage in any illegal activity.
-> I do not want to help others engage in illegal activity.
I will need to talk with a lawyer before we could let people purchase gift cards with donguri.
That said, we will soon allow the purchase of uplift tokens using donguri.
Maybe in a week? I need to refresh my knowledge of the Stripe payment API and SDK first.
>>934
Not all boards have enabled BBS_ACORN yet. The boards that have not enabled it cannot be protected by Hunters.
Is there a thread that people can report slow scripts to?
If there was a centralized thread with reports of slow scripts, then hunters can team up and defeat the slow scripts. >>940
双方がスクリプトで荒らしてる場合はそうかもな
スクリプトによる高速埋め立て行為を防げれば良しとしようぜ >>942
ハンターによって撃ってスクリプトを撲滅は無理だ。低速スクリプトが書き込めなくなる仕組みを作るのは難しいのですか？
>>854
に書きましたが、スクリプトの量が何百といるしクッキーも次々作られるから弾も足りないし長い時間撃ち続けるのは疲れてハンターは諦めます。
スクリプトは1つのスレッド、掲示板の話ではなく多数の掲示板のスレッドで同時に大量に書き込まれているのです。
It is impossible to eradicate scripts by shooting them with hunters. Is it difficult to create a system that prevents slow scripts from being written?
>>854
As I wrote in , there are hundreds of scripts and cookies are being created one after another, so there aren't enough bullets, and hunters get tired of shooting for a long time and give up.
Scripts are not written in one thread or bulletin board, but in large numbers on many bulletin board threads at the same time. Hokkaido？....Thats strange🤔 >>942
UPLIFTのサイトでクレジットカード等で購入するUPLIFTと、donguriを使ったアップリフトトークンとは機能に違いがあるのですか？
Is there any difference in functionality between UPLIFT, which is purchased on the UPLIFT website with a credit card, etc., and UPLIFT tokens using donguri? >>942
As far as I know, there doesn't seem to be a centralized thread reporting slow scripts yet. It seems that the thread I wrote in the previous thread or the thread below plays that role as an alternative. However, my understanding of the system is still shallow, so I would like to make an effort to understand and disseminate the system so that users can keep up with the ever-changing specifications.
Thank you for listening to me.
【どんぐり大砲】依頼スレ ★2
https://kes.5ch.net/test/read.cgi/donguri/1714563590/ 多くのハンターは>>934のスレッドを参考に破壊ロボットの行動を見ています
URLが表に出ると荒らされるのであまり宣伝はしていない様子ですが >>942
Even slow scripts can be teamed up to take them down (lol).
How are we supposed to beat them when they multiply infinitely? Don't be such a sleazeball now when you've been beaten up so many times.
It has to be a system that doesn't allow people to enter the entrance, there's nothing you can do with this man left to his own fucking devices.
Don't all the management team understand that? You're the ultimate in incompetence. 低速スクリプトに関しては、その掲示板に常駐する住人のハンターの砲撃に期待するしかないのが現状
As for the low-speed scripts, we can only hope for a bombardment of hunters who reside on that board. 見た感じ、方向性は完全に見失ってそうだな
メールアドレスの登録もスクリプトを弾くものではなく
あくまでもクソゲーに参加させるものでしかなさそうだし
何よりもこのクソゲーを収益の柱にしようとてて怖い
色々と残念過ぎてUPLIFTの自動更新止めるか悩んでる The users who believed that the acorn system would help prevent vandalism and charged for it were fools.
The management's goal was to collect money by encouraging people to participate in a shitty game. >>946
One uplift token will be equivalent to 1 month of uplift from uplift.5ch.net >>942
どんぐりの商品券化や現金化はやめておいた方がいいかも
Maybe you shouldn't convert acorns into gift certificates or cash. >>942
Even if I wanted to report where the low-speed scripts appear, it is difficult to post the URL because of the 余所でやってください restrictions without CAP or UPLIFT.
This was not the case until a few days ago.
Something is wrong. >>953
If you don't respond even if I say this
Please declare that you will no longer deal with troll hunters.
Hundreds of shots are fired every day.
That's what I'm complaining about
But you won't respond, right?
If that's the case, I'll never do it again.
Do you want to stop the hunter function for hunter ID37dd90b4 now?
Or
Will we lose the UPLIFT contracts of hundreds of users and several residents?
Please choose which one
If you ignore me, I'll take action if you don't respond.
Running away every time
You are more annoying than the script. >>953
By the way, how about making the hunter ID in the scuffle log random as well?
I'm curious because the original hunter ID is displayed over there. >>954
I agree. It is not something I want to do, but it is theoretically possible.
The risk and liability is very high. I think it is unwise. >>953
UPLIFTを購入してハンターにならないとuplift tokenはなかなか増えないので、結局は従来の購入方法でUPLIFTを購入してuplift tokenを増やし、UPLIFTの有効期間を延長できる形になるわけですね？
Since UPLIFT tokens do not increase easily unless you purchase UPLIFT and become a hunter, you end up being able to purchase UPLIFT in the traditional way to increase your UPLIFT tokens and extend the validity period of your UPLIFT? >>957
Thats an oversight. I will change it tomorrow.
It is too late tonight to make a change to Donguri Base. I think there will be more indiscriminate hunters as more acorns are used and the value of acorns increases.
I think UPLIFT should be divided into two plans, one that can be bought with tokens and a higher plan that can only be bought with cash.
Like UPLIFT Basic and UPLIFT Prime. どんぐりの金券化って、荒らしハンター量産を運営側が促進してどうするんだよ
Xがインプレッションを収益化してインプレ乞食量産した以上に大惨事になる未来しか見えない >>959
When the item marketplace goes live, then even the 警備員 accounts can easily earn Donguri from trading.
If you trade enough, eventually you can trade for an Uplift Token.
Its a bit difficult to explain, but you will understand after the system is launched. UpliftチームのGmail認証の開発は進んでいるか？？これが完成しないとモバイルユーザーがどんぐりシステムに参加できないしストレスを抱える一方だぞ >>961
Uplift Tokens will be purchased with cash at the same rate as normal uplift.
After paying with cash, you will have an uplift token inside your donguri account.
You will be able to trade, gift, or redeem the uplift token.
If you redeem it, you will get 1 month of uplift.
If you trade it, maybe someone will give you Donguri, or a weapon/armor, or keys/wood, etc for it.
If you like someone very much, maybe you can gift it to them. >>960
What time is it in your location? >>967
Does ignoring (>>939 and >>956) mean leaving troll hunter (37dd90b4) alone?
If that's the case, I'll cancel the UPLIFT contract.
Can you clarify? (>>939) >>965
I asked my colleague to set that up, however he is very slow.
Maybe I set it up by myself. >>968
I operate in JST [UTC+9].
5-6pm on Sunday is normally a very active time on 5ch.
I do not want to make changes to the Donguri system during very active times, unless there is an emergency. >>967
Hello! How are you doing?
By the way, is it possible to make the ‘結果ログ’ of the ‘大乱闘ログ’ display the same ID as the ‘大砲ログ’?
Can't the hunter's ID change from period to period and the ID of the person shot be anonymous?
We can change our names but not our IDs, so the same hunters follow us all the time, win or lose, the ‘大乱闘’ starts again and again, the retaliation continues and never ends... そらUPLIFTの担当は金にならんことをやるのはしぶるだろうな >>969
Where is the proof that that user is scripting and shooting people indiscriminately? >>972
Yes, I previously said that is an oversight (>>960). I will fix it tomorrow. >>975
As shown in the image of >>939, hundreds of rounds are fired every day.
Every day from 8am to 11pm >>977
Next time he does it, can you capture the cannonlogs page (https://donguri.5ch.net/cannonlogs) using https://archive.is service?
Send me the link and I will investigate.
It is hard to discern from a simple screenshot whether they are a script or not. >>978
I am not irritated.
I enjoy talking with everybody and trying to find solutions that most people can find acceptable. >>958
賢明なるご判断を期待してます
I look forward to your wise judgment.
>>964
それはつまりUPLIFTのID（メールアドレス）を持たない警備員でもUPLIFTユーザーになれるってことですか？
それと従来のUPLIFTとUplift Tokenで交換して得たUPLIFTは使える機能は同じでしょうか？
Does that mean that a security guard without an UPLIFT ID (email address) can be a UPLIFT user?
Also, are the functions of UPLIFT exchanged with UPLIFT Token the same as those of conventional UPLIFT? >>980
どんぐりキャノンさんへ
敢えて日本語で書きます。
uplift購入者とどんぐりIDとの連携において、上限を設定してほしいです。
スクリプト(書込み荒らしやスレ立て乱立荒らしを含む)はuplift購入者のハンターです。そして多くのIPとIDを持っている可能性があります。
このスクリプトに対抗するためにはアカウント制限をする必要があります。
そして乱射するハンターへも制限を与える必要があると思います。あきらかに多くのレスに対して大砲を撃つハンターは荒らしスクリプトと変わりありません。
よろしくお願いします。 >>975
He confesses to using scripts
>>104 駄目だったわ、UPLIFT連投規制になってしまった
誰か頼む どんぐりキャノンさんへ伝わることを切に、切に願っております。、 >>975
>>104
104に貼られたこの画像の通り自分でスクリプトを組んで大砲を撃っていると自白しているのだが。。
As you can see in this image posted on 104, he confesses to writing the script himself and firing the cannons. . レス数が950を超えています。1000を超えると書き込みができなくなります。
