どんぐりシステムについて話しましょう ★37
レス数が900を超えています。1000を超えると表示できなくなるよ。
The problem has been fixed. Confirmed.
Thanks for fixing it. >>827
So you rolled back to 5pm of yesterday?
What will happen to equipment they obtained during the failure?
SSR and UR might be lost. And they may complain about it.
It's not my case, though. Just wondering about others who got UR. >>847
Thank you for confirming. Im so sorry that this happened :( >>843
This issue seems to have started occurring after we tweaked the cannon specs yesterday. >>846
あと2人くらいサーバー治せる奴を増やせ
それまで数時間おきにサーバー見に来い >>849
Some people say things like this (>>756), and I think it's better to change the ID of the scuffle log as well. >>848
入手した装備はそのままだったよ
廃棄した際のマリモは没収されてた >>844
Acorn Cannon
Last night, many threads were vandalized by scripts from around 20:50 to 1:00. We fired cannons in terrible conditions, but we were very understaffed.
Please change the system so that they cannot easily write to it.
I will show you just a few examples.
This thread was level 2 restricted, but it is filled with about 90 meaningless posts by script trolls who have all grown to high level since 759.
medaka.5ch.net/test/read.cgi/market/1714711541/
In this thread, out of 515 responses, 326 are level 1, meaningless posts [Lv.1] [新 初], [Lv.1] [新 苗], and there are not many [Lv.1] [新 芽]. Ta. Almost all of the posts below level 5 after 100 were automatically written by scripts, and the residents ran away.
nova.5ch.net/test/read.cgi/livegalileo/1715339336/
Out of 653 replies, 381 are level 1 script writing. Similarly, for levels 10 and below after 100, gibberish writing and gory images were pasted from almost fully grown scripts.
nova.5ch.net/test/read.cgi/livegalileo/1715341763/ >>854
どんぐりキャノンさん
金曜の晩は20:50ごろから1:00にかけて沢山のスレッドがスクリプトに荒らされてしまいました。酷い状態で大砲を撃ちましたがとても手が足りませんでした。
彼らが容易に書き込みできないシステムへどうか改変してほしい。
ごく一部ですがいくつか例をお見せします。
このスレッドはレベル2制限でしたが、759以降全て高レベルに成長したスクリプト荒らしの書き込みで約90の意味のない書き込みで埋められています。
medaka.5ch.net/test/read.cgi/market/1714711541/
このスレッドは515のレスの中、326がレベル1 の意味がない書き込み[Lv.1][新初]、[Lv.1][新苗]が多く、[Lv.1][新芽]は少なかった。100以降のレベル5以下の書き込みもほぼ全てがスクリプトによる自動書き込みで、住民は逃げ出してしまった。
nova.5ch.net/test/read.cgi/livegalileo/1715339336/
これも653のレス中、381がレベル1のスクリプト書き込みです。同じく100以降のレベル10以下はほぼ成長したスクリプトの意味不明書き込み、グロい画像も貼られた。
nova.5ch.net/test/read.cgi/livegalileo/1715341763/ >>848
If anybody was affected by that, email me with as much information as you can, and I may be able to restore it for you.
donguricannon@knmo.net <-- my private email address 全部なんて無理でも
再起動方法と
停止方法（つまりどんぐりが止まってても他は動く状態。スクリプトにはやられっぱなしになると思うけど）
だけは他の誰かにも伝えておいてほしい Anyway, I appreciate your fixing it and your daily actions! >>853
そうですか。直近のアイテムウォッチが全て削除だったもので
取った装備がそのままなら問題ないですね >>856
Another one said he still keeps equipment he got during that time
I guess there are not many problems after all. >>846
え、5ch運営で誰もどんぐりシステムに関わってる人いないってことか？
どんぐり適用した板が多い現状、実質一人で5chを運営してるようなもんだな >>856
don't ignore
You are suffering damage because of the system you created.
As a matter of urgency, please stop the function even for hunters who have been reported in >>104.
Many threads died because of them
It's their fault and a bug in the system you created.
Please respond responsibly >>850
The issue occurred because the server had a deadlock race condition.
https://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E3%83%87%E3%83%83%E3%83%89%E3%83%AD%E3%83%83%E3%82%AF
I try very hard to avoid deadlock condition, and it is one of the biggest programming hurdles with such a highly concurrent system like Donguri.
I will fix it and prevent it from happening again. Hi,どんぐりキャノン★
The price of this uplift is bullish at the test stage.
テスト段階でこのupliftの価格は強気ですね >>861
Yes I believe that is the most likely case.
The inventory system is separate from the leveling up system.
The leveling up system broke, but the inventory system was still saving data.
That said, if you have proof that you lost an item, please email me and I will investigate it for you. >>856
どんぐりキャノンさん
[警][告][臭]調整では連投荒らしに対して大砲があまり効果が見られませんでしたが元に戻したことで荒らしハンターが暴れて壊滅的な被害が出ています。
レベル10程度の高レベルの荒らし対策として
改訂→一発でレベル5～10相当の経験値ダウン
二発で更にレベル10相当の経験値ダウン
三発でレベル0へ落とす
このように大砲機能の強化を検討いただけませんか。
一発の大砲でレベル10落とせれば、スクリプト荒らしは殆ど駆逐できます。
Acorn Cannon
[警] [告] [臭] With the adjustment, the cannon was not very effective against repeated trolls, but after changing it back, the troll hunters went on a rampage and caused devastating damage.
As a countermeasure against high-level vandalism at around level 10
Revised → Reduced experience points equivalent to levels 5 to 10 in one shot
Two shots will further reduce experience points equivalent to level 10.
Drop to level 0 in 3 hits
Could you please consider strengthening the cannon function in this way?
If you can drop level 10 with one cannonball, you can eliminate most script trolls. >>867
またハンター弱体化しようとしてる奴がいる
数日前と同じこと繰り返す気なのかな
それだとハンターアカウントを使って連投荒らししてる荒らしに対して何もできない
同じ荒らしに3人のハンターが攻撃するなんて嫌儲でも難しいからその提案がまずナンセンスと言っていい At least you can easily add a logic which detects the deadlock (e.g. internal timestamp is not increasing)
and when it occurs bbs.cgi should act like "ころころ" for all posts. >>846
I see, so that's the situation...
Even if it's difficult to do right away, it would be helpful if you could gradually share information with those around you.
Thank you for your response this time! >>104
We arent going to punish the hunters that are at the top of the rankings just because they are ranked highly.
However, I know that many of them used scripts to get to the top.
Remember that I did not put a warning to stop using scripts until recently.
From what I can see, the scripting has slowed down considerably and has mostly stopped now.
We are not going to punish the hunters that previously scripted.
We -WILL- punish hunters if they continue scripting now that they have been warned. >>868
ハンターなんていらねえから弱体化しても良いんだよ I recently felt the significant impact of a developer's absence during a recent system malfunction.
It seems like the Donguri system relies too heavily on one person.
I understand you're following directives from your boss, and resources are limited. However, it's concerning that you alone are required to monitor daily, and would be held solely responsible if any issues arise.
It might be best to abandon sinking ship sooner rather than later. >>869
Great solution, I will try to implement that also. >>833
認証システム導入せずにどんぐりシステムとかいう荒らしに無力なクソゲー実装した責任取れよカス
運営出来る状態じゃないならハナから他所の真似しとけや無能運営 >>871
なるほど 新しい法律で以前の犯罪者を裁くことはしないってことね
理に適ってる >>872はハンターに日常的に撃たれる側の人なの？
俺はこのスレ以外ではあまりハンターに撃たれないよ
ハンターはいたほうがいい普通にレスしてる分には何も不都合ないからね
煽りとかすると撃たれるかもしれないんだけど >>867
あるいは[告]を廃止し、[警]→[臭]にする。
今は[臭]の復活が早すぎてほとんど荒らし対策になっていないです。
[告]はレベル2相当の復帰時間
[臭]はレベル5相当経たないとレベル1に上がらなくすればどうか。
Or abolish [告 and change it to [警] → [臭].
Now, the [臭] is coming back so quickly that there is almost no countermeasure against vandalism.
[告] is the recovery time equivalent to level 2.
How about making it so that [臭] doesn't rise to level 1 until it reaches level 5 or so?
>>868
荒らしハンターが処罰されるならいいだろう
そのハンター連投しているスレをどんキャさんに伝えなよ I'm sure you would be the first to create a function to notify the administers via email or Slack when an error occurs.
Is this a playful system created by newbie engineer as part of your training? >>878
It is already set to this: [警] → [臭].
I abolished [告] already.
>How about making it so that [臭] doesn't rise to level 1 until it reaches level 5 or so?
Good idea. >>871
>>Can you say the same thing about 607?
At least 37dd90b4 is planning on mass shooting and mass shooting.
It will be necessary to respond >>867
どんキャのリソースを
そんなどうでもいい部分で消費させないでほしいんだが
直接の荒らしハンター対策を先にやらせるべき >>878はどんぐりキャノンのこのレス>>871見た？
これが答えだよ
理解できたなら理解出来ましたとコメントしてほしい >>880
I have notifications. The timestop bug was unexpected.
I will adjust accordingly. >>879
だからこそハンター弱体化なんていう奴は必要ないんだよ
理解できるかな？ >>879
だからこそハンター弱体化なんていう奴は必要ないんだよ
理解できるかな？ >>886
どういう理屈だ
理解できないから説明してみろよ >>885
どんぐりキャノンさん
彼らはスレッド乱立や同一分で埋め立てたりとスクリプト同等の荒らし行為をしています。
彼らのハンター権限は凍結すべきだと思いませんか？
They are doing the same vandalism as scripting, creating threads and filling in the same amount of content.
Don't you think their hunter privileges should be frozen?
>>566
スレ乱立ハンター
スクリプト使い37dd90b4の疑い
テスト4
//fate.5ch.net/test/read.cgi/lovelive/1715393694/
テスト5
//fate.5ch.net/test/read.cgi/lovelive/1715396584/
テスト10
//fate.5ch.net/test/read.cgi/lovelive/1715396804/
1 名無しで叶える物語 ハンター[Lv.251][SSR武][UR防][木](庭) 2024/05/11(土) 11:14:54.22 ID:GvtLm13F
>>570
40レス以上コピペ連投する害悪ハンター
krsw.5ch.net/test/read.cgi/gamesm/1715303234/102
102：名無しですよ、名無し！ ハンター[Lv.160][SSR武][UR防][](庭)：2024/05/10(金) 12:46:45.99 ID:fDLynq4R0 >>884
お前が荒らしたいハンターだということがよくわかった
いくつクッキー用意してるの？？ どんぐりキャノンのワンマンでいいあれこれいう必要ないと>>888が思うならまず弱体化とか言ってる奴が必要ないだろと言ってるの
数日前のこと忘れたの？ >>890
このスレで撃たれてもいいように数個はあるぞ撃つ奴いるだろ >>891
数日前のことは知らんが、なんで張り付いてる前提で語ってるんだ？
ドングリハンターは無能だから運営を降りろと言ってる It is a prerequisite to prevent this problem from happening. I understand that. However, what you should consider is if such a problem still occurs.
My suggestion is to make it possible to write at level 0 by default.
I have gotten feedback from various people and the most unpopular thing about the Acorn system is that you can't write when you want to.
Restrictions by acorns should be independently restricted by the people in that thread.
The default should be Freedom. >>881
問題ないと思います
このスレッドにいるID:vxjE6tJ20のように大量のクッキーブラウザで書き込まれると大砲が効果がない。スクリプトとやっていることが同じだ。
こういった者への対策もぜひお願いします。
I think there is no problem
If a large number of cookies are written in the browser like ID:vxjE6tJ20 in this thread, the cannon has no effect. It does the same thing as a script.
Please take measures against these people.
荒らしハンターの力を抑えるほうが先
対スクリプトであれば10下げられれば十分効果あります。 >>607
I agree that this is very annoying:
https://krsw.5ch.net/test/read.cgi/gamesm/1715303234/102-
However, we cannot punish someone just because they are annoying.
I will punish him if he uses a script to post, but I dont see any indication that he is posting with a script. >>885
It's obvious that 37dd90b4 is still shooting randomly.
Not responding is not acceptable
Many users disappear due to this stupidity, but can you take responsibility for it?
https://i.imgur.com/eZ4jW8e.jpeg
>>896 どんぐりシステムは体制がおかしすぎる
この規模のシステムでプロダクトオーナーも開発者もヘルプデスクもテスターもOPSもどんぐりキャノン一人が兼任してるのはおかしい
単一障害点なんてレベルじゃない >>893
ハンターの大砲でレベル4くらいの警備員すら倒せなくなったの忘れた？
あまり関係ないレスしたくないからそこまで長くレスはしたくないけどさすがに覚えてると思うんだけど
しばらく5chに来てなかったかな？
真面目に5chの運営として頑張ってる、どんぐりキャノンに「ドングリハンターは無能だから運営を降りろと言ってる」などというような>>893がまさに荒らしに見えてしまうよ ちなみにどんぐりハンターってどんぐりキャノンと書こうとしてミスしただけだよね >>871
How WILL you？
Give specific penalty ideas.
As a next warning. >>896
どんぐりキャノンさん、また運営の荒らしに対するスタンスがよくわかりました。
それでは
>>854
>>855
に書いた明らかなスクリプト荒らしが書けなくなるような対応を急いでください。どんぐりシステムはこの荒らしに対してまだ対応できていません。
Acorn Cannon, I also understand the management's stance on vandalism.
Well then
>>854
>>855
Please take immediate action to prevent the obvious script vandalism written in . The Acorn system is not yet ready for this vandalism. >>902
If we detect that a hunter is using a script to shoot the cannon indiscriminately, then we will -25% their donguri points as an initial punishment.
The key word is "indiscriminately". >>900
だから10下げればいいと提案してるんだが？ >>904
That's meaningless
Please link to Hunter ID and ban cannons. >>904
That should have already been done the day before yesterday.
That's what you said.
I'd like to hear what you do next. >>904
We're asking for >>906
Are you going to tell me that you're not willing to take the UPLIFT revocation action? スクリプトに対して大砲はほぼ無力
前付きスクリプトなんてほとんどいない
それでもまだ強弱変えてテストさせるのか？ >>909
それな （前）があるスクリプトはほぼない
全部新規で5分で増やせる
しかもブラウザごとに
コピペ荒らしすら撲滅できてない
大砲システムが埋め立てスクリプトに効果があるという証明が欲しい
現状、荒らしの武器を増やしただけにしか見えない でもどんなシステムか分かれば突破ってできちゃうと思うんだよな
突破できないシステムは誰も書けないシステムw 荒らしハンターは荒らし行為が目的なんだから
どんぐりポイント没収なんて無意味だってなんで分からないのかな >>910
この悪い状況を否定するためにも、すでに警告が終了して48時間経った昨日の段階で、自動スクリプトで乱射していた荒らしハンターを排除すること
これが秩序の初手
それができないなら、気の毒だが誰にも理解されないのは当然だ
荒らしハンターどもですら、これは荒らしシステムだと豪語している
廃止した方がいい おい荒らしハンターの596a4b6c
こんな時に撃ったお前のIDは刻んだからな レベル制限コマンドスレを超えてスクリプトが蹂躙しているというソースを出せば
多分大砲が効果ないという納得のいくソースになると思う
セットで使用するように推奨されているからね 荒らしハンターに関しては警で○○時間書き込み制限
臭で砲弾没収、○○時間リロード無しで解決せんか？ ハンターのよる攻撃に対しての罰則はUPLIFTの一時停止やBANだろう >>904
The people in the following threads are all into fighting troll hunters.
https://kes.5ch.net/test/read.cgi/donguri/1715476766/
If you refer to this thread, you will see that they are the ones who are trying to slander Donguri Cannon san and make the Donguri system worse.
Please make the right decision. >>916
荒らしハンターはよほどのバカ以外はハンターで書き込まないぞ 臭になった場合はペナルティで17分待機
被になった場合は24時間待機
とかでよくね
被については狙ってもなれないわけだし >>904
I don't think people who shoot someone for harassment fundamentally want acorns.
If you are going to take action, you either have to be able to shoot back at them or prevent them from shooting at us. Even if only temporarily. >>920
狙ってもなれないが荒らしハンターに狙われたらなれるぞ
利用者を消し去りたいならそれでも良いけど >>922
被は狙われても余程じゃないとならん
俺のいたスレで唯一なった奴は異常な書き込み繰り返してた奴だけだからそういう奴は長時間消えてくれると助かるんだけどなあ >>921
The first recourse of action against indiscriminate troll hunters that use scripts is to enforce -25% donguri points.
If scripting continues after the first action, then we will discuss what to do in the second course of action.
A second recourse of action could mean temporary suspension of access to the acorn cannon.
We are not yet at that point. >>624
/sec2ch/1625875514/ には レス番 179 までしかないようだが >>561
これでよくね
大砲じゃ荒らしハンターにペナルティ与えられない I am applying for access to Twilio in order to setup a system to send my phone a text message every hour with the current "期".
I will check it each hour and if the "期" has not changed, then that means there is an urgent problem with the Donguri System. Since the cannon logs are always changing, if you want to report an arashi hunter to me, then please use the https://archive.is system to take a snapshot of the cannon logs page: https://donguri.5ch.net/cannonlogs
Share the archive.is link with me that shows the Arashi Hunter, and I can take action at that point if I deem it to be an actionable offense. どんキャさんは、荒らしハンターに対して正義ハンターとのバトルで対抗させてゲーム化させたいのかな
荒らしハンターに化けたスクリプト荒らしと遊ぶつもりはないなｗ >>926
Will we be able to use Acorns to purchase real world items in the future?
For example, souvenirs from Hokkaido. Script reports often appear in the following threads. According to reports, many slow scripts cannot be detected by vandalism alerts. Recently, I've been relying on the reports to shoot more and more scripts. However, in such cases, the acorn system is often not introduced in the thread in the first place, or the cannon is prohibited. Trolls are targeting such threads. It's frustrating to watch the script steadily grow up to break through the regulatory levels of other threads. I would like to see a fundamental tightening of penalties.
下記のスレッドにスクリプト報告がよく上がる。報告によれば、荒らし警報で検知できない低速スクリプトが多い。 最近はその報告を頼りにスクリプトを撃ちに行くことが増えた。しかしながら、このような場合はそのスレッドにそもそもどんぐりシステムが導入されていなかったり大砲禁止なことも多い。そのようなスレッドを荒らしは狙っている。スクリプトが他のスレッドの規制レベル突破のために着々と育成されていくのを見過ごすしかなく歯がゆい思いがする。根本的なペナルティの厳格化を望む。
スクリプトに遭った板・スレの報告スレ
https://agree.5ch.net/test/read.cgi/operate/1714566159/
スクリプトに遭った板・スレの報告スレ 16
https://agree.5ch.net/test/read.cgi/operate/1714627500/
翻訳機能使ってるので不自然な英語は失礼 狐のどんぐりレベル0から上がらなくて何処にも書き込めんぞ https://kes.5ch.net/test/read.cgi/donguri/1714788245/188
188：どんぐりキャノン ★ ハンター[Lv.27(前186)][木]：2024/05/09(木) 02:33:16.66 ID:CAP_USER
On the cannonlog page (), we will now be changing the ID of users every 期.
This will allow hunters, and defenders, to easily avoid detection over long periods of time.
With this change, I have decided that we will also be punishing hunters that use scripts to throw cannon balls.
I am giving a 24 hour warning to hunters that use scripts that maliciously target every post.
After 24 hours, hunters that continue to use scripts to maliciously target indiscriminately will have 25% of their Donguri removed.
After 48 hours, I will re-evaluate who is using scripts to maliciously target indiscriminately, and we will adjust the punishment accordingly.
>>926
well…
How long are you going to say "not yet"?
This is what I have been saying since the very beginning of this thread.
Reinstate the UPLIFT suspension.
And congratulations on successfully disabling the cannon logs by switching IDs.
It's quite a thrill to talk to a con man. >>930
あなただけにメッセージ送るの？
一人で対応は変わらないのか >>931
>>561
Acorn Cannon.
Please read this. >>926
Even this every day? (Acts of 37dd90b4)
If so, wouldn't it be the same as not doing anything?
Can you please stop saying that you will deal with troll hunters?
Will you proudly say that you will leave the troll hunters alone?
If you say that, everyone will disappear.
I'm also canceling UPLIFT.
https://i.imgur.com/t6JHq07.jpeg
https://i.imgur.com/y0uzNIq.jpeg 結局「アラシ」を制圧しようとしている側も「アラシ」なんですよ
「自動アラシ」は駄目で「手動アラシは良い」って言葉は「アイツのアラシ方」は駄目だが「俺のアラシ方」はセーフだって事でしょ？
アラシが主役でなくなる時は誰も書かなくなった時でしか無いと思う
残念ながら平和を望むどんぐりを助ける気のいいドジョウが出てくるのは童謡の中だけなんだね😅 >>931
I understood. We will do so. >>933
Purchasing souvenirs from Hokkaido seems unlikely, but maybe we could someday make a way to purchase gift cards using Donguri.
However, there are a few big issues regarding selling gift cards for donguri:
1. The donguri economy would need to be balanced very carefully.
-> I dont want to be bankrupted because I sent too many gift cards.
2. We need to be careful not to help people engage in money laundering.
-> Bad people sometimes use gift cards to money launder.
-> It is a real concern.
-> I do not want to engage in any illegal activity.
-> I do not want to help others engage in illegal activity.
I will need to talk with a lawyer before we could let people purchase gift cards with donguri.
That said, we will soon allow the purchase of uplift tokens using donguri.
Maybe in a week? I need to refresh my knowledge of the Stripe payment API and SDK first.
>>934
Not all boards have enabled BBS_ACORN yet. The boards that have not enabled it cannot be protected by Hunters.
Is there a thread that people can report slow scripts to?
If there was a centralized thread with reports of slow scripts, then hunters can team up and defeat the slow scripts. >>940
双方がスクリプトで荒らしてる場合はそうかもな
スクリプトによる高速埋め立て行為を防げれば良しとしようぜ >>942
ハンターによって撃ってスクリプトを撲滅は無理だ。低速スクリプトが書き込めなくなる仕組みを作るのは難しいのですか？
>>854
に書きましたが、スクリプトの量が何百といるしクッキーも次々作られるから弾も足りないし長い時間撃ち続けるのは疲れてハンターは諦めます。
スクリプトは1つのスレッド、掲示板の話ではなく多数の掲示板のスレッドで同時に大量に書き込まれているのです。
It is impossible to eradicate scripts by shooting them with hunters. Is it difficult to create a system that prevents slow scripts from being written?
>>854
As I wrote in , there are hundreds of scripts and cookies are being created one after another, so there aren't enough bullets, and hunters get tired of shooting for a long time and give up.
Scripts are not written in one thread or bulletin board, but in large numbers on many bulletin board threads at the same time. Hokkaido？....Thats strange🤔 >>942
UPLIFTのサイトでクレジットカード等で購入するUPLIFTと、donguriを使ったアップリフトトークンとは機能に違いがあるのですか？
Is there any difference in functionality between UPLIFT, which is purchased on the UPLIFT website with a credit card, etc., and UPLIFT tokens using donguri? レス数が900を超えています。1000を超えると表示できなくなるよ。
