ドングリシステムについて話しましょう

**どんぐりキャノン ★** · 2024/03/24(日) 02:23:07.61

こんにちは、ドングリシステムチームです。
私はドングリキャノンです、RX77ガンキャノンと間違えないでください。
ドングリシステムについて話しましょう。
お分かりの通り、私は日本語があまり上手ではありませんので、優しくしてください。

**ななしさん** · 2024/03/31(日) 13:32:09.51

ガンキャノンについて語るスレ

**ななしさん** · 2024/03/31(日) 13:32:10.24

>>38
なんで🥺

**ななしさん** · 2024/03/31(日) 13:33:10.51

スクリプトなんとかしろよカス

**ななしさん** · 2024/03/31(日) 13:34:14.14

個人運営の掲示板にボロ負けしてるゴミ

**ななしさん** · 2024/03/31(日) 13:34:36.58

でも5ちゃんねるには""歴史""があるから

**ななしさん** · 2024/03/31(日) 13:35:05.82

塩田くんのほうが頭よさそう

**ななしさん** · 2024/03/31(日) 13:35:05.91

>>60
You're welcome.
Your English is easy to translate, so using DeepL will get through to the Japanese.
Many Japanese are not good at English.

**ななしさん** · 2024/03/31(日) 13:35:49.71

>>56
I believe it's not a time for the shit right now. The situation is way more serious than you may think. Numerous users have already abandoned 5ch due to the script posting attack. I estimate that half of the posts on 5ch are made by scripts, making it impossible for users to communicate each other.

Please consider implementing Turnstile by CloudFlare. Some 5ch-compatible boards like エッヂ、嫌儲オルグ、ぷにぷに have already proven its effectiveness, and users would welcome its implementation.

**ななしさん** · 2024/03/31(日) 13:37:42.08

>>62
Turnstile is better than ReCaptcha.

https://www.cloudflare.com/products/turnstile/

**ななしさん** · 2024/03/31(日) 13:38:37.08

You should implement Captcha in the be.5ch.net registration form or set up a managed challenge with Cloudflare WAF for the entire be.5ch.net. Then you can easily ban bots by simply setting "BBS_BE_ID=1" on a board that is being indiscriminately trolled by bots.
However, in order to prevent confusion among users, the BBS must be notified when setting it.
It is most easy way.

**ななしさん** · 2024/03/31(日) 13:40:09.90

こいつが荒らしだろ

**ななしさん** · 2024/03/31(日) 13:40:36.57

一度captcha入れたのに連投規制入れてなかったから認証通したクッキーで爆撃されて結局captcha切って
その後今度は逆に連投規制だけ入れてIPコロコロで埋め立てられてたバカ運営にTurnstile入れろって言っても同じことになるだけだよ

**ななしさん** · 2024/03/31(日) 13:40:58.02

>>67
>>70
たぶん日本語わからないからスクリプトが来てることすら分かってないんだと思うわ
運営はスクリプトと人の区別がついてない

**ななしさん** · 2024/03/31(日) 13:41:51.75

>>80
多分そう
みんなで説明した方が良い

**ななしさん** · 2024/03/31(日) 13:42:13.38

UPLIFT入ってるけど面倒だから使わんな

**ななしさん** · 2024/03/31(日) 13:42:21.69

>>2
画面の1番下の表示がこうなってます
＞ドングリシステムチム |５ちゃんえる

「5ちゃんえる」ってなに

**どんぐりキャノン ★** · 2024/03/31(日) 13:42:25.03

I will look closely at Turnstile, but I don't think it can be effective for us because bots can generally already beat captcha.
Maybe I can make the DONGURI system work to beat bots, and of course that would not require UPLIFT.

**ななしさん** · 2024/03/31(日) 13:44:59.41

>>82
How could it be made easier to use?

**ななしさん** · 2024/03/31(日) 13:45:14.46

>>84
It works for the current bots. It will certainly lose in the future.

**ななしさん** · 2024/03/31(日) 13:45:46.50

そもそもシステムがわからんことにはどうにも

**ななしさん** · 2024/03/31(日) 13:45:48.67

>>1
I cannnot login to "Hunter account".
The error message is "Login UPLIFT first."
But there are no UPLIFT login box but BE login box.
What can I do ?

**どんぐりキャノン ★** · 2024/03/31(日) 13:46:08.89

>>83
I will fix that now.

**ななしさん** · 2024/03/31(日) 13:46:58.21

ドングリキャノン推しなのはわかった
とりあえず日本語ができるお友達が来ないことには話が進まなそうね

**ななしさん** · 2024/03/31(日) 13:48:00.74

>>87
「何に困っているか」を伝えるところからだと思うよ
あとは余所を参考にやれることならやってもらえる可能性ある

**ななしさん** · 2024/03/31(日) 13:48:30.00

>>84

the presen bot guy is just a big head scriptkiddie so he cannot beat captcha.

**ななしさん** · 2024/03/31(日) 13:49:20.39

>>89
OK, I wait and will try later..
I appreciate your efforts to ban bots as one of 5chan users.

**ななしさん** · 2024/03/31(日) 13:49:23.57

Currently, indiscriminate trolling by bots is becoming more serious on 5ch. They post tons of fake comments and offensive images, worse than spam comments on X (Twitter). User comments are filled with comments and offensive images by bots. Bots switch IP addresses and UserAgent indiscriminately, so normal ban cannot cope with them. 50,>>75,>>77 captcha must be introduced, or every forum will be filled with bots and the number of users will decrease. The freedom of speech of Japanese people is threatened. Please take action.

**ななしさん** · 2024/03/31(日) 13:49:34.16

>>47
今更こんな事言ってるのか…
日本語わからないやつは5ちゃんねるに関わるな

**ななしさん** · 2024/03/31(日) 13:50:11.99

>>92
I do think so for now.

**ななしさん** · 2024/03/31(日) 13:50:50.72

>>80
地獄で草

**ななしさん** · 2024/03/31(日) 13:51:12.91

Even if it is effective against scripted trolls, are there any measures to prevent other trolls from being hunted for replies that are disadvantageous to them?
If there is no management that allows us to judge, we will not know which is right.

**ななしさん** · 2024/03/31(日) 13:52:22.87

>>80
やっぱり広告会社に報告したほうが効くんじゃねーの
契約切られて金が減っていったら流石にバカ運営も理解するだろ

**ななしさん** · 2024/03/31(日) 13:54:05.60

>>84
> I don't think it can be effective for us because bots can generally already beat captcha.

I haven't heard of cases whee bots defeated Turnstile.
Bots operate using a botnet, and their IP and cookies change with each post, necessitating them to complete the authentication process every time they post. This would make it impossible for them to post rapidly.

**どんぐりキャノン ★** · 2024/03/31(日) 13:54:21.94

>>83
I fixed it. Sorry, I sometimes can't see very well because I have glaucoma.

>>87
I understand. My friend will explain it better when he gets here.

>>88
For now, can you try to login here?
https://uplift.5ch.net
I will add an easy login box for https://donguri.5ch.net tomorrow.

**ななしさん** · 2024/03/31(日) 13:55:11.21

>>99
5chの広告代理店って札幌の中尾の関連会社だろ
意味のない行動だよ

**ななしさん** · 2024/03/31(日) 13:56:34.63

Being reported simply because of an opinion you don't like,
There is also a way for contractors commissioned from elsewhere to use this mechanism to crush specific opinions.

**ななしさん** · 2024/03/31(日) 13:57:11.35

垢版てw
垢BANのことか？

**ななしさん** · 2024/03/31(日) 13:58:15.60

>>101
btw who is yoru friend?

**ななしさん** · 2024/03/31(日) 14:00:21.64

ハンターアカウントにログインできないよ
NG1008ってエラーが出る

**どんぐりキャノン ★** · 2024/03/31(日) 14:00:27.10

>>105
His CAP is どんぐり28号

**ななしさん** · 2024/03/31(日) 14:01:26.97

My favorite is Gundam double-X.

now, 5ch is filled with random generated text, known as "word salad".

５ちゃんねるは「ワードサラダ」として知られているランダムに作られたテキストで埋まっている
とか書いてみるテスト

**ななしさん** · 2024/03/31(日) 14:01:36.22

マジで日本語できねえの？
辞めちまえこの仕事

**どんぐりキャノン ★** · 2024/03/31(日) 14:01:57.71

>>106
Please clear your cookies, then try again.
NG1008 means it cannot understand your cookie.

**ななしさん** · 2024/03/31(日) 14:02:55.12

>>108
with URL to the grotesque image...

**ななしさん** · 2024/03/31(日) 14:04:23.00

FUCK YOU

**どんぐりキャノン ★** · 2024/03/31(日) 14:06:37.65

>>108
MG Double X is a fun build.

>>109
I can understand well enough, but english is easier for me to express myself with.
I like to order にぎり when I go to a sushi restaurant.

**ななしさん** · 2024/03/31(日) 14:07:07.68

>>107
Are you kidding us?

**どんぐりキャノン ★** · 2024/03/31(日) 14:08:13.88

>>114
No, I am not kidding. Do you know him?

**ななしさん** · 2024/03/31(日) 14:10:10.07

>>110
iPhone使ってるんだけど、サファリの設定から履歴とWeb サイトデータを消去をやっても無理だった

**ななしさん** · 2024/03/31(日) 14:10:29.39

>>101
I am >>83 and >>88
Now it's fixed.

In addition I think this phrase "ドングリシステムチム" would be "ドングリシステムチーム" in appropriate Japanese.
Anyway it would be better to confirm it from your Japanese friends.

And about hunter account I will try after announcement issued.

Thank you very much and take care of your eye.

**ななしさん** · 2024/03/31(日) 14:11:07.24

>>45
10年前とは状況が違っています
ここまで荒らされたなら、みんなreCAPTCHA導入に同意するでしょう
再検討をお願いします

**ななしさん** · 2024/03/31(日) 14:12:41.22

絶対英語が母国語じゃなくて草

**どんぐりキャノン ★** · 2024/03/31(日) 14:13:04.35

>>116
Iphone is not supported (but still might work) at the moment because the code is not integrated with itest yet.
I think that you will need to try and use the desktop versions for it to work.
In a few days everything will make more sense.

**ななしさん** · 2024/03/31(日) 14:14:18.25

>>118
>>45
Things are different than they were 10 years ago.
If it's been trolled this much, I'm sure everyone would agree that reCAPTCHA should be introduced.
Please reconsider!

**ななしさん** · 2024/03/31(日) 14:14:21.80

Are you aware of the rampant trolls on 5ch? Please check the statistics on the number of posts on 5ch.
A certain percentage of the posts are made by script trolls. Urgent action is needed to eliminate these trolls.

**どんぐりキャノン ★** · 2024/03/31(日) 14:16:07.98

>>119
Im a native english speaker. Are you a native japanese speaker?

**どんぐりキャノン ★** · 2024/03/31(日) 14:16:42.76

I will find a solution for the trolls.

**ななしさん** · 2024/03/31(日) 14:17:51.43

>>120
サファリがダメだったから今度は、iPhoneのアプリのChromeブラウザでクッキー削除してもNG1008っていうエラー出たよ

**ななしさん** · 2024/03/31(日) 14:18:03.63

The acorn cannon between my legs is about to fire.

**ななしさん** · 2024/03/31(日) 14:18:39.53

abe shinzo

**ななしさん** · 2024/03/31(日) 14:19:20.22

>>124
Thank you.
But there are too many bots posting to be in a position to find the usual forum trolls.

**どんぐりキャノン ★** · 2024/03/31(日) 14:22:36.03

>>125
Very strange. Does uplift work for you when you use the website?
I just tried with my iphone, and it worked for me.
I want to fix that for you. I will try to identify the bug.

**どんぐりキャノン ★** · 2024/03/31(日) 14:24:18.72

>>128
You're welcome. I think I will find a good solution.
Please give me a few days to prepare.

**ななしさん** · 2024/03/31(日) 14:25:07.76

>>1
ガイジｗｗｗｗｗｗｗｗｗｗｗｗｗｗｗｗｗｗｗｗｗｗｗｗｗｗｗｗｗ

死ね白豚😂

**どんぐりキャノン ★** · 2024/03/31(日) 14:25:28.02

Did you guys receive any seeds from donguri yet?

**ななしさん** · 2024/03/31(日) 14:25:31.90

システムわからんので推測大盛りだけど
トップページhttps://donguri.5ch.net/にアクセスすると
「再認証」のリンクをクリックした事と
同等に見なされている気がする

**ななしさん** · 2024/03/31(日) 14:25:52.39

It's all an April Fool's joke, right?

**どんぐりキャノン ★** · 2024/03/31(日) 14:26:15.52

>>131
Im not white. 😂

**ななしさん** · 2024/03/31(日) 14:26:19.04

https://i.imgur.com/hTABNca.jpg

**ななしさん** · 2024/03/31(日) 14:26:27.65

>>132
It's all an April Fool's joke, right?

**ななしさん** · 2024/03/31(日) 14:27:14.93

Just ask Q anon's master how it felt when Hiroyuki became the administrator of 4chan when he thought he had won a complete victory by taking 5channels away from Hiroyuki.

**ななしさん** · 2024/03/31(日) 14:27:17.96

>>132
garbage😂

Yoi die😎

**ななしさん** · 2024/03/31(日) 14:28:06.03

安倍晋三

**ななしさん** · 2024/03/31(日) 14:29:34.14

>>130
I look forward to it.
Thank you!

**ななしさん** · 2024/03/31(日) 14:30:01.46

excuse me

**どんぐりキャノン ★** · 2024/03/31(日) 14:30:14.46

>>133
The 「再認証」 doesn't show a success message, but it is definitely doing strong work in the background.
My friend どんぐり28号 told me that the DONGURI SYSTEM project is similar to teppanyaki.
Together we will nurture the project and it will grow into a very useful system.
Just like a master chef putting meat on a teppanyaki grill. You wouldn't eat his meal raw, would you?
The meat should take some time to cook.

>>134
No, but the timing is good.

**ななしさん** · 2024/03/31(日) 14:30:27.88

ガンキャノン壊れちゃった…

**ななしさん** · 2024/03/31(日) 14:32:25.98

Please kick out the script trolls
It is out of control and it is destroying 5ch very fast
How would you feel if there is a photo of dead corpse and random junk conversation unrelated to the thread posted everywhere?
As a paid uplift user, I should have a right to demand management to address and fix the issue ASAP
I understand it will be a tiresome effort but please understand current urgent situation
Thank you

**どんぐりキャノン ★** · 2024/03/31(日) 14:33:35.30

>>145
We will fix this issue together.

**ななしさん** · 2024/03/31(日) 14:34:32.94

Display of local rules on the board
Creation of a discussion board to discuss the organization of the board list
If you can implement these, I'd be happy to do it.
The categories are too old and not up to date.
For example, there are no boards or threads for discussing distribution anime, so 5ch is losing money in terms of advertising revenue if the categories remain outdated.

**ななしさん** · 2024/03/31(日) 14:34:51.02

>>143
俺の取り越し苦労なら
それに越したことはないよ

これから鉄板が熱くなるんだろうけど
俺はこれから明日まで仕事だ…

**どんぐりキャノン ★** · 2024/03/31(日) 14:37:01.44

>>147
How do you think the categories should be changed?
I can add boards, remove boards, and edit the categories.
Want to create a thread on the DONGURI board to discuss it?

**ななしさん** · 2024/03/31(日) 14:37:33.90

ゴミみたいな管理人だないつも

**ななしさん** · 2024/03/31(日) 14:39:02.64

There's no master chef here.
The only people there are Indian coders who make $8 an hour.

**ななしさん** · 2024/03/31(日) 14:39:36.34

キャノンってもしかしてロン？

**ななしさん** · 2024/03/31(日) 14:39:47.21

노력을 기울여 오신 한학자 총재님을 비롯한 여러분들께 경의를 표합니다.

**どんぐりキャノン ★** · 2024/03/31(日) 14:40:34.48

>>151
I will take over as the main coder then, and fix everything.
Will start by fixing the spam and bot problem.

**ななしさん** · 2024/03/31(日) 14:40:59.22

Why is it that a message board created by a single volunteer is almost completely able to deal with DDoS and posting bots, but 5chan can't deal with it?

**ななしさん** · 2024/03/31(日) 14:41:45.68

311級の震災があった時は
規制を解除してもらいたいです。

情報発信や連絡を取れるように

**ななしさん** · 2024/03/31(日) 14:41:47.07

>>154
>>151
では、私がメインコーダーを引き継ぎ、すべてを修正します。
まずはスパムとボットの問題を解決することから始めます。（DeepL翻訳）

**ななしさん** · 2024/03/31(日) 14:43:20.73

I know there are many different opinions, but I love 5ch. I'm grateful to all the staff for not abandoning 5ch and for your continued efforts. Please save 5ch from script attacks.

P.S. Please also improve the archive logs.

**ななしさん** · 2024/03/31(日) 14:43:40.42

>>154
Although it is different from script vandalism, there are also many vandalisms that relentlessly direct people to external boards. I feel that there is a crisis of residents leaving 5ch.
Is it possible to deal with these problems using the どんぐりシステム?

https://agree.5ch.net/test/read.cgi/sec2chd/1709312930/385

**ななしさん** · 2024/03/31(日) 14:44:49.70

>>149
Have you considered having users create language filters, which are then scrutinized and implemented by CAP USER?

Since the text used by the script is unnatural Japanese, wouldn't a filter be effective?

**どんぐりキャノン ★** · 2024/03/31(日) 14:44:55.53

>>155
I will take care of it.
Let me find a way to use the DONGURI system to do it.
We will beat the bots.
We will win the bot war.

**ななしさん** · 2024/03/31(日) 14:46:00.02

>>146
User's patience is running out so please address quickly
I wish you a good luck

**ななしさん** · 2024/03/31(日) 14:46:42.02

具体的にどんぐり使って何ができますか？
説明をお願い

**ななしさん** · 2024/03/31(日) 14:48:14.67

I would like to use Acorn to ban someone who is slandering someone, for example, but will that be possible?

**どんぐりキャノン ★** · 2024/03/31(日) 14:49:21.79

>>156
Thats an interesting idea, but it could backfire if all regulations are lifted.

>>158
Ok, we will fix the spam bots first, then improve the archives.
What kind of changes to the archives would you like?

>>159
Yes, I will address that. Where can I find a list of the external boards?
I can add them to the ROCK54 list.

>>160
A filter would not be effective, because the spam will just evolve to evade the filter. Then its a never-ending arms race. We need a proper solution.

**ななしさん** · 2024/03/31(日) 14:49:55.41

The best way to avoid bots is to move to エッヂ(http://bbs.eddibb.cc/liveedge/).
There are no bots here and it is very comfortable.

**ななしさん** · 2024/03/31(日) 14:50:49.86

なぜニライカナイは参加させてもらえないの？